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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 375

                            Sunday, March 10th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                  More Missing
                                  More Missing
                          Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
                           Resonant Coil Implications?
                               Kecksburg UFO story
                            Re: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
                                    Kecksburg
                             Resonant Gravity Coils
                                  Re: Kecksburg
                           Solar Flare Alert - 07 Mar
                             Halley's Comet Article
                                 Halley's Comet
                                 movies on WTBS
                that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
                                  More Missing
                                  More Missing
                                   BILL COOPER

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 8 Mar 91 06:41:00 GMT


 > THEY NEVER CAME BACK
 >
 ....

 >   To the list of mysterious disappearances let us add another
 > remarkable case.
 >   July 24, 1924, was just another day of blazing heat in the
 > desert
 > of the Middle East, then called Mesopotamia.
....

 >   When their plane was found, the day after they failed to
 > return, the mystery w s only deepened. There was gasoline
 > in the tank, and the engine started readily when tried. There
 > were
 > no  signs  that  the  plane  had  been  shot  at.  There was
 > no
 > clue to hint why they might have landed where they
 > did . . . in a broad stretch of inhospitable desert.
 >  The search party found something else that adds ques-
 > tion marks to the case of the missing fliers.


Hi Don.  Let me share two very queer disappearances with you.

1.   August 28, 1915, Gallipoli, Turkey (southwest of Sulva Bay in
Anatolia). The entire British First Fourth Norfolk Regiment, with a
field strength of 800 men, DISAPPEARED before thousands of
witnesses in broad daylight.  30 observers and spotters of the
Number One ANZAC Company and thousands of Turkish defenders
observed the First Fourth Norfolk mount an attack against
entrenched Turkish infantry on the clear, cloudless day.  They
advanced up about 1/2 mile of gentle slope toward their objective
unopposed with no incoming artillery.  Very unusual for high summer
in Anatolia, there was a FOG BANK about 200 yards across on the
elevated hillside, midway between the Allied and Turkish lines.

The First Fourth Norfolk Regiment entered the fog bank but did not
exit on the other side.  After about 30 minutes, the fog bank ROSE
and drifted off across the Agean Sea, against the prevailing winds.

No attack was mounted in their sector and, as a result, the entire
assault collapsed.  It was assumed by the Allies that the Turks had
prevailed and captured the Regiment.  It was assumed by the Turks
that the Regiment had demarched under cover of the fog and attacked
somewhere else.

War records of both sides and many hundreds of interviews confirm
every part of this story.  The fate of the 1st Fourth Norfolk was
the cause of a 1920's MIA controversy in Britain (similar to our
own VietNam MIA controversy) and resulted in considerable tension
between Britain and the Turkish Republic, right up to and after
World War II.

2.  June 1954, Kirimukuyu, Kenya (on Mt. Kenya).  The entire
village of Kirimukuyu was incinerated in the middle of a village
marriage ceremony.  The incident occured in the early evening and
within earshot of the neighboring villages.

The sounds of drums and celebrating were heard from Kirimukyu until
about 9 p.m., at which time all sound suddenly stopped.
Neighboring villagers and a shepard who was much closer to the
village observed lights moving in the sky and rays or beams of
intense light being directed downward into the village. There were
no survivors among the several hundred inhabitants.


Weird and grim, don't you think?

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 8 Mar 91 12:15:00 GMT

What are your sources on this information?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Date: 8 Mar 91 12:49:00 GMT

>You'll have to tune in more often...
     Right, John!  Same time, same station...."Don't touch that dial!"
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Resonant Coil Implications?
Date: 8 Mar 91 22:44:00 GMT


 > From: User <[e-mail]>


 > And finally, a friend told me that the URE that was filmed (Unidentified
 > Running Entity) from the window (as mentioned several newsletters ago,
 > along with the claim that the Stealth was from UFO parts - the 10
 > strangest stories of 1990) was broadcast on one of the tabloids (H.C.,
 > A.C.A., I.E., or U.M.) and he said it didn't look like any familiar
 > animal or even an Earth-like animal.  Anyone else saw this broadcast?

Are you referring to the Jones' case in Greenville, South Carolina, Halloween
evening, in 1989?  If so, I have not heard anything further on it.  I do have
a copy of the video tape that was made when A Current Affair covered that
story.  Supposedly, MUFON was to be investigating this case, but I also heard
that they botched it and the witness lost confidence in them.

 > And how come nobody is commenting on the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast
 > of the Kecksberg incident?  Did EVERYONE miss it except me?

I also saw this and have a tape of it.  I believe that there was some comment
on it a few issues back.  I will see what I have on it.  There is also a story
which appeared in the newspaper in that neck of the woods, which I will
reprint here for your enjoyment.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Kecksburg UFO story
Date: 8 Mar 91 22:52:00 GMT

Below is a reprint on the Kecksburg UFO story which preceeded the Unsolved
Mysteries segment of last year.

NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE

DATE OF ARTICLE:  May 6, 1989
SOURCE OF ARTICLE:  Bulletin
LOCATION:  Latrobe, Pennsylvania
BYLINE:  Kim Opatka
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THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE
AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION
SERVICE
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KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL

By Kim Opatka
Bulletin Staff Writer

     This  final  article  in a six-part series  on  unidentified
flying  objects (UFOS) examines one of the most talked about  and
controversial  incidents  in the area,  what has  been  termed  a
meteorite by some and an alien craft by others,  which crashed in
Kecksburg December 9, 1965.
     The  object  was first seen streaking across the  sky,  with
thousands  from Michigan to New York witnessing a brilliant  ball
of  fire which left a smoke trail,  visible for about 20  minutes
after it passed.
     Many,  including pilots who observed it,  thought it was  an
aircraft  which was on fire.   Reports of debris from the  object
were made in many states,  and an Ohio fire department was called
to extinguish 10 small fires in an area where witnesses said they
saw flaming fragments falling from the sky.
     Shock waves were reported by pilots,  and a seismograph near
Detroit  recorded  a shock,  wrote investigator Stan  Gordon,  of
Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained  (PASU)
in a recent journal article.  The crash has been a pet project of
the Greensburg man "since the night it happened," he said, noting
he is still trying to obtain information on the incident.
     Although  the  military  eventually  labeled  the  object  a
meteor,  as  did  the Associated Press account published  in  The
Bulletin  the day after the crash,  Gordon says recent  evidence,
including the discovery of a man who saw the object, supports the
idea that the object was a true UFO.
     "I  was  a teen-ager then," said John (not his  real  name).
"It was in the early part of December and there was a little snow
and a little rain, and mud."
     He  was called to the scene after the 4:44 p.m.  crash as  a
fireman from the Latrobe area, to search for the crashed object.
     "I had seen a fiery object in the sky.   I can't say exactly
which direction but it was coming from the north.  It was not too
much longer and the fire whistle went off," he said.  "I answered
the  call  and was told they needed a search team because at  the
time they believed it was a downed aircraft.   And I thought, 'My
God, this is what I have just seen'."
     When firemen arrived at the Kecksburg Fire Hall,  maps  were
reviewed and groups were given sections to search.
     "It  was getting semi-dusk and we had flashlights.   We were
taken in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this
way'  which  we  did.   I was not on the  initial  contact  team.
Another team found the object.
     "It was definitely, unequivocally, positively, absolutely no
aircraft,  plane,  helicopter  or  rocket,  at least  not  to  my
knowledge.   It was in an area that was part field and part woods
and we went down to investigate," he said.
     "We found the object had crashed at a 30 to 40 degree angle,
and had broken off numerous tree branches in its impact path.  My
initial  reaction  was  'This  is no airplane.'   I  observed  no
shrapnel,  no  breaking  up of the fuselage.   It was  one  solid
piece, no doors, no windows.
     "Preliminary searches found no bodies or casualties.  It was
shaped like an acorn,  laying on its side,  like the acorn nut is
in  its shell when it's on a tree," he explained.   "I've been  a
machinist  for 24 years and I've worked with a tremendous  amount
of different metals, and I have never seen any type of metal that
looked even close to that."
     John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just
dented a bit.   It did not give off smoke,  steam or  vapors,  at
least none that we could see."
     Reports  from neighbors in the area said it had given off  a
faint trail of blue smoke, which disappeared after the crash.
     He  described  the portion visible as between eight  and  10
feet long,  six and seven feet across,  and said a man of average
height  would probably have had little trouble standing up inside
it.   The  crater it plowed into the ground was  "rectangular  in
shape."
     John  said the state police were there and the area was soon
quarantined.
     "They  drove us out.   It was late at night when we  finally
got  back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken  over
by  the  military.    They  were  carrying  in  large  pieces  of
equipment,  radios  and such,  and they had armed  guards  posted
outside  so nobody could get in or out.   The firemen were thrown
out.  We weren't even allowed in to use the bathroom.
     "The  military  had control of the  whole  operation,"  John
recalled.   "After  a while we saw a flat bed truck come by  with
some other military equipment, a crane or something.
     "It  was not too much longer,  an hour,  an hour and a half,
when  the  trucks came back and there was a large object  on  the
back of the flat bed,  covered by a tarp,  with military  escorts
front and back.  I got the feeling that if you had stepped on the
road you were dead meat.  They weren't stopping for anything."
     Although  the object was later said to be a meteorite,  John
doesn't buy that explanation.
     "It had writing on it,  not like your average  writing,  but
more  like  ancient  Egyptian hieroglyphics.   It had sort  of  a
bumper on it,  like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide,  and it
stood  out.   It  was  elliptical the whole way  around  and  the
writing  was on this bumper.   It's nothing like I've ever  seen,
and  I'm an avid reader.   I read a lot of books  on  Egypt,  the
Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never to this day come across
anything that looked like that."
     John notes that later it was denied that the object was even
a meteorite, and the military "denied they were even in the area.
But I know there were Air Force and Army personnel involved.   It
was like they just came out of the woodwork."
     Gordon's  research  has revealed that one  of  the  military
groups  involved was most likely to be the 662nd Radar  Squadron,
based  at  the Oakdale Armory,  located near  Greater  Pittsburgh
International Airport.
     The  squadron  was  found  to be under the  control  of  the
Aerospace Defense Command, and attempts to get information on the
Kecksburg crash, through the Freedom of Information Act, have not
provided much to go on.
     One  response said there had been no record of the  squadron
being activated on that date,  Gordon said, wondering how so much
equipment  and  personnel could be activated  while  the  monthly
report showed no entry on Dec. 9.
     Through his research, Gordon says he knows the Air Force was
still investigating UFO cases at the public level then,  and that
it was apparently the Project Blue Book staff which contacted the
662nd squadron.  Subsequent reports have led him to theorize that
even  the  Project Blue Book staff was not made aware of  objects
which   could   "affect  national  security,"   and   that   some
intelligence   teams  investigated  crashes  of  "foreign   space
vehicles."
     Another  strange  occurrence that night,  Gordon  said,  was
reports  by  some  civilians that  radiation  was  released.   He
explained  that some children playing in the area had  reportedly
been told by military personnel that that was a possibility,  and
men  in  decontamination suits were allegedly seen  at  the  site
later the next day.
     Although  he has considered the possibility that the  object
could  have  been  space debris or a  test  device,  Gordon  says
documents  and evidence obtained in the last few years lead  more
in the direction of it being a "true UFO."
     John concurs.
     "It was definitely not of this planet.   At the time I was a
skeptical  teen,  but when you see something like that you  don't
forget  it.   When  you  get called out like that from  the  fire
department you think you're going out looking for an aircraft  of
some sort, not a UFO.
     "I'll  never forget it.   I still want to know what the hell
it was."

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8/89

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
Date: 9 Mar 91 08:10:04 GMT


 >I have data on a catastrophic "explosion" (for lack of a better
 >word, since this coil is built from inert materials) in the New
 >York area and have heard accounts of similar mishaps in
 >Philadelphia (2) and Toronto (1).

Clark, what is the data you have concerning the "explosion"?

Regards,
-Jim




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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Kecksburg
Date: 8 Mar 91 05:12:01 GMT


 > Last I heard, there was *speculation* it could've been a Russian
 > space capsule.

  Well, if you think about it, it makes sense.
  It would appear as a fireball during reentry, then the chutes would
open and it may change direction as it descends. Then, on the ground,
the heatshield may be so hot that it starts fires or glows.
  The US military would get very excited.
  Wouldn't that be an interesting way for a cosmonaut to defect?!

                                           jbh

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Resonant Gravity Coils
Date: 9 Mar 91 12:26:58 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

Regarding toroidal electromagnets and such, here is an interesting
passage from 'Confrontations', Jacques Vallee's latest book (p. 45-6):

  In 1985 private researcher Kenneth Behrendt published a study
  entitled 'Understanding Metal-Ejecting UFOs,' in which he made the
  assumption that such devices could fly by generating 'an anti-mass
  field.'  He speculated ingeniously that the intense magnetic field
  required for this operation could be produced in a 'large toroidal
  electromagnet with hollow tubular windings that are made from a
  heat-proof ceramic material,' with the windings filled with a molten
  metal.

The quotations are footnoted:

  K.R. Behrendt, 'Understanding Metal-Ejecting UFOs,' Annals of
  Ufological Research Advances 1, No. 4 (November 1985).

At least to my untrained eye, there appears to be a marked similarity
between Behrendt's gadget and the 'Resonant Gravity Coil' described
previously; just use ceramic instead of heat-resistant plastic, and
molten aluminum or magnesium instead of wax or glycerine for the
dielectric.

Don't do this at home, kids.  Boiling wax is bad enough, but molten
magnesium?  Yikes!

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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: Kecksburg
Date: 9 Mar 91 16:27:00 GMT

The possible radiation sickness described by some of the witnesses may
also support the Russian satillite theory.  The containment of radio-
active materials may not have been much of a concern of the Soviets at
that time.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Solar Flare Alert - 07 Mar
Date: 10 Mar 91 03:29:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Space Echo"
 * Originally from Bev Freed
 * Originally dated 03-08-91 11:25

                        --  MAJOR SOLAR FLARE ALERT  --
                                MARCH 07, 1991
                              Flare Event Summary
                           Potential Impact Forecast
                                    --------

MAJOR ENERGETIC EVENT SUMMARY

     Three major solar flares exploded from Region 6538 today.  The
first event was a very powerful proton-type which began at 06:13 UT on
07 March.  X-rays peaked at a class X5.5 level at 07:55 UT.  The event
ended at 08:04 UT.  This flare was exceptional in energy output.  It
generated moderate to strong intensity Type II and IV bursts and was
associated with a 3,000 s.f.u. Tenflare which lasted 26 minutes.  The
flare attained a large class 3B optical rating and was also associated
with a 5,400 s.f.u. burst at 245 MHz.  This event almost certainly
produced a coronal mass ejection with proton activity to the east of the
region.  No protons were observed near earth.  The region is still too
far east.  This flare was located at S20E66.
     The second major flare began at 14:03 UT, peaked at 14:05 UT and
ended at 14:26 UT.  The flare attained a class M5.0/SF rating, and
originated from Region 6438 at a location of S22E62.  This flare was
not particularly powerful.
     The third major energetic flare began at 23:15 UT, peaked at
23:18 UT and ended at 23:26 UT on 07 March.  This major flare was rated
a class X2.5/2B Tenflare with a very strong 35,000 s.f.u. burst at
245 MHz.  The event was also associated with a 760 s.f.u. Tenflare which
lasted 5 minutes.  Although powerful, this flare was a short impulsive
type which did not produce any sweep frequency events and is not
suspected of producing a coronal mass ejection.  However, it did produce
a moderately intense Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance (SID) and Short Wave
Fade (SWF) which disrupted communications on HF frequencies up to 25 MHz.
Strong phase shifts followed by strong signal absorption were observed
beginning at 23:17 UT over the sunlit sectors.  The SWF ended at 23:34 UT
on 07 March.

POTENTIAL TERRESTRIAL IMPACT FORECAST

     This latest flare will not likely produce any significant terrestrial
impacts.  There is a slight risk it could produce active conditions after
10 March, but magnetic or auroral storming is not likely.  The region was
too far east at the time of the major class X5.5 flare to produce
terrestrial impacts.
     Solar activity will remain high for the next several days at least.
 Major M-class flares and isolated X-class flares are possible throughout
the next 72 hours at least.  Region 6538 is capable of producing some
very energetic flare activity which could produce intense moderate to
long-duration SID's/SWF's over the sunlit areas of the earth.  Within
the next 24 to 48 hours, Region 6538 will begin to enter the terrestrial
impact zone.  Major flares after 09 or 10 March could produce potentially
moderate terrestrial impacts.  Major flares after 11 March will have a
high risk for producing high terrestrial impacts which could include
major auroral and geomagnetic storming along with potentially strong
degradation in radio signal propagation.  However, that is still several
days away and Region 6538 could conceivably calm down by then.  On the
other hand, it could also become more energetic.  It currently possesses
a Beta-Gamma magnetic configuration with significant amounts of shear
and high magnetic gradients.
     The Calcium XV emission from Region 6538 increased to very bright
levels during the day today.  It appears as though Region 6538 will
remain a significant threat throughout the coming week.  The position
of Region 6538, corrected to 24:00 UT on 08 March is S25E48.  It will
reside very near the central meridian on 12 March and will cross into
the western hemisphere on 13 March.
     As a side-note, geomagnetic activity will remain at unsettled to
active levels throughout most of the coming week.  Storm conditions
could occur if major flaring continues.
     Additional alerts and/or updates will continue to be posted daily
for as long as necessary.

**  End of Alert  **


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Halley's Comet Article
Date: 10 Mar 91 03:36:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "NASA Space Conference"
 * Originally from Jato.jpl.nasa.gov![e-mail]
 * Originally dated 03-09-91 12:01

From: jato.jpl.nasa.gov![e-mail]
Date: 9 Mar 91 02:28:33 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alpha.space

From: [e-mail] (Ron Baalke)

New York Times -- 3/7/91
'Dust Cloud Erupts on Halley's Comet'

'Five years after a much-heralded pass near Earth, an
immense dust cloud has erupted from Halley's comet, making
it hundreds of times brighter.'

The Times reports that the potato-shaped, ice-ball core of
Halley's comet had been very faint up until last month when a
University of Hawaii astronomer, Dr. Karen Meech, sighted
the new apparition.

According to the Times, Meech noticed that the comet had
sprouted a cloud extending up to 180,000 miles from the
icy core of the comet and more than 1,000 times brighter
than should be the case for an object so far from the sun.
The Times quotes Meech as saying 'to have something turn off
and suddenly brighten up at this distance is unheard of.'

The story further quotes Smithsonian planetary expert Dr.
Brian Marsden as saying 'this is much farther than anything
we've observed before.'  The article says Marsden and fellow
colleagues at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics noted this will be very hard to explain given the
distance from the sun of the comet.

The story concludes by citing comments made by astronomer
Meech that other comets have produced extended clouds like
this but that the other occurrences have been of a continuous
cloud, not the sudden appearance of one as happened with
Halley's comet.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Halley's Comet
Date: 10 Mar 91 03:39:00 GMT

I am curious among our scientific users if this phenomena related to Halley's
Comet in the previous post is a normal feature of a comet?

Mike

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: movies on WTBS
Date: 10 Mar 91 06:18:28 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

This coming week, (Monday, March 11 through Friday, March 15), cable
channel WTBS is going to show a movie about parapsychology, UFOlogy,
cryptozoology, or similar subjects each day at 1:05 PM Eastern Standard
Time.  I don't have the list handy; I'm just trying to get out the message
ahead of time. Check your local listings.

*  From the disk of:  | [e-mail]       | 'There's UFOs over New
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | York, and I ain't too
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | surprised.'
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
Date: 10 Mar 91 06:19:31 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Clark Matthews writes:

+Preliminary reports indicate sightings of a large, spherical,
+slow-moving object with four 'exhaust-like' lights and vapor trails.
+The object was whitish blue and was observed to change course and
+possibly altitude.
+
+It was first observed over the borough of Queens in New York City at
+around midnight 3/5/91 and was last observed by two police officers
+in Mastic in eastern Long Island three hours later.
+
+Observations were reported from aircraft and witnesses on the
+ground.

This sure sounds to me like it could be connected to that fireball that was
seen the same night -- the one which, according to the Associated Press,
'FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitalieri said pilots who called airports in
Teeterboro, N. J. and Garden City, N. J. said the bright light was moving
back and forth over New York City.'  Highly irregular behavior for a
fireball!  (Of course, it could be a coincidence: there could've been a
trufo and a fireball on the same night in the same place at the same time,
or even different places and times but reported as the same thing. If
that's the case, we're going to have a major battle to fight against the
debunkers over this one!)

But it gets weirder.  An interesting conversation took place on CompuServe:

+#: 102263 S10/Paranormal Issues
+    06-Mar-91 20:30:58
+Sb: #Eastern US Fireball
+Fm: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667
+To: all
+
+Since it's not legal for me to reproduce APWire reports here, I can only say:
+Read the articles at APV-4362 and APV-5774. The former reports that airline
+pilots reported to the FAA that Wednesday morning's fireball moved back and
+forth over NY City once it got there. The later report (5774) leaves out that
+fact and quotes two astronomers (who didn't see it) who dismissed it as a
+meteor.

Cover-up, or incompetent press?  You decide.  <grin>

+One witness described the fireball as 'a boomerang on its side...a cluster of
+lights with a fire tail behind it.' (Police officer near Boston.)

A boomerang?  Are they flying the Hudson Valley craft on its side?!

+Other witnesses said it appeared very low, but crossed the sky in a few
+seconds. The pilots who saw it 'moving back and forth over New York City'
+called two separate New Jersey airports to report their sightings.

+#: 102384 S10/Paranormal Issues
+    07-Mar-91 03:00:18
+Sb: #102263-#Eastern US Fireball
+Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244
+To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667 (X)
+
+Two police officers and several of my friends saw the 'fireball'. I live
+Burlington, MA, where a lot of the action took place. Two of my employees told
+me they saw it hover, under apparent control, and display some lighting effects
+(blue beams). Another weird coincidence: I have a friend in the movie biz who

Yikes! Note again that this is not all that far from the HVUFO's old
stomping grounds.  But it gets *much* weirder:

+sculpted Alien's for Communion. I have one sitting on my desk as a big
+paperweight. Several people I frequently do business with can't tolerate the
+sculpture in the room with them and I'm always forced to remove it. They have
+no interest in paranormal events (almost overly derisive of the subject) - they
+share that aversion. They are from this area.
+
+The day before the 'fireball' appeared here, one of these skeptics stormed into
+my office to tell me his 9 year old daughter woke him, complaining of little
+alien creatures in her bedroom. He scoffed, sent her to bed, behaving like a
+good skeptic (he didn't even give her a plausible 'bad dream' explanation).
+
+Another employee told me today that it woke her right out of bed. I asked her
+how - sound, light, smoke? She has no recall. Radio stations have been buzzing
+with call-in's all day. Keep in mind that this is not Mayberry RFD, but a large
+high-tech sector, just ten minutes from Boston.

These latter reports COULD easily be coincidences.  It's interesting that
the AP talked to Stan Gordon of PASU (Pennsylvania Assoc. for the Study of
the Unexplained) and was told that the reports he had received were of a
fireball.  No strangeness was mentioned.  As I mentioned earlier, there
could've been both a fireball and a UFO.  Or maybe Stan only had
preliminary reports at the time.  It's interesting that the fireball was
reported to have a 'reddish-green' trail, and that green is apparently a
very uncommon color for fireballs (from previous discussions here on
Paranet.)

I can't wait to see if any more reports come in -- particularly
high-strangeness reports.

*  From the disk of:  | [e-mail]       | 'There's UFOs over New
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37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | surprised.'
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 9 Mar 91 07:20:00 GMT


 > What are your sources on this information?
 >

Good public sources.  The First Fourth is an enduring mystery
documented in several of Berlitz's books as well as Dr. Vallee's.
Incidentally, the mysterious disappearance of the regiment was
mentioned in a display at the Imperial War Museum when I visited
there five years ago.

The horrible story of Kirimukuyu comes from Jacques Vallee's
Confrontations.  I have seen it nowhere else, although it closely
matches another, unspecific report and they may in fact refer to the
same incident.

For that matter, most of the awful CEIIIs Vallee documents from the
Amazon Basin could qualify as "More Missing".  Unfortunately for the
victims, they were still alive when they started falling apart...

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 9 Mar 91 22:28:00 GMT


 > Good public sources.  The First Fourth is an enduring mystery documented
 > in several of Berlitz's books as well as Dr. Vallee's. Incidentally, the
 > mysterious disappearance of the regiment was mentioned in a display at
 > the Imperial War Museum when I visited there five years ago.
 >
 > The horrible story of Kirimukuyu comes from Jacques Vallee's
 > Confrontations.  I have seen it nowhere else, although it closely
 > matches another, unspecific report and they may in fact refer to the
 > same incident.
 >
 > For that matter, most of the awful CEIIIs Vallee documents from the
 > Amazon Basin could qualify as "More Missing".  Unfortunately for the
 > victims, they were still alive when they started falling apart...

Thanks for the reply.  I wonder what contemporary "More Missing" there are?
Any information on this?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: BILL COOPER
Date: 8 Mar 91 22:28:00 GMT

My Gosh! some of you people have been really hard on Mr. Cooper
lately. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe all that Milty says but I will
listen to Bill and see what he has to say. This is known as investigation
procedures.
  I would like to add a little bit of comment here and I think that some of
the real investigators will agree. When you are out giving lectures like Bill
is, you will meet a lot of very interesting people and some of these have some
interesting storys to tell. Most good investigators will follow up on these
storys and try to verify them and some will just relay what they heard. I
think this might be the case on William Cooper.
  What you might be getting is a lot of garbage from Bill but if you are
dumping trash at your local land fill and happen to spot what looks like a
diamond ring among the trash, do you tell yourself that its not because
all thats here is trash or do you pick it up and examine it. Or if it
happened to be a mental patient that was wondering through the desert and
happened to find the dead sea scrolls. Would you discard them as not real
because the person who found it was missing a few marbles.
   Some of you seem to make quick judgement because of the source or
because you don't understand it. I would like to add that there are a lot
of things that can't be explained. If you here tell of a person name
Hatonn that tells us whatever it is (I never read his material) listen
and make it a piece of your puzzle. This cover-up, UFOs, channeling,
ghost, spirits, cattle mulilation, abductions, etc. could be part of
the big picture. Don't throw a part of this puzzle away because someday
it might fit into the big picture.
   Don't throw all of Bill Cooper away but put it off to the side if you
think its garbage. I have not done or tried to Channel aliens but have sat
in on some sections and found them to be most interesting. I have not made
a determination if what I see or hear is real but I won't throw it away
as garbage. I have no proof that its real or not, so its a part of my
puzzle. If you must close your mind to all what Bill Cooper, Hatonn or
what ever, then you might as well join the Bay Area Skeptic group.
   Believe me when I say that you are not getting all the information
from the good investigators. They keep a lot of information to themselfs
because of different reasons that only they know. Isn't that right Mr.
Ecker, Mr. Stevens, Mr. lear, Mr. English, etc. There is no way that I
release what I have learn and take a chance to jeopardize someone job
or life to satisfy some arm chair Ufologist or Skeptic. There been
too many good investigators that lost there jobs because of what they
are doing and for what? To listen to a bunch of skeptics. These few
people are trying to find the answers or puzzle to the big picture.
   OK, maybe Bill Cooper has just a little bit of common decency and
won't release his source of information as he promise to that person.
Just a thought! I know to some of you that this is impossible but I
feel that there is good in all of us somewhere. He sure hasn't shown
too much of this in the last couple of years from what I've heard. But
I am going to look for that small ray of sunlight that is being block
by that empty liquor bottle. He is a good speaker and can be a big
help to the Ufology field if he can strighten himself out. And maybe
he did read Grudge 13, who knows for sure but him.
                 73's to all    ---Jim---

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